Speculation is similar to theories except there are no facts or logic to back the theory up." https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Man_in_Black/Theories?oldid=1117017. A yogi seemingly dies while simulating death and his evil second wife, and her daughter, try to force his daughter into insanity for control of his estate. Who are the mysterious Men In Black (MIB)? Both Fake Man in Black and Fake Locke were not identical to the real persons, just copies made out of corporeal manifestations of electromagnetic energy. The Lost Man is Jane Harper’s third consecutive marvel… and, against long odds, her most marvelous yet, pitting brother against brother, man against nature, reader against the clock. He is not ultimately in charge of the island. In season 1, after it scanned Locke, it tries dragging him into a hole but is stopped by Jack and Kate, when they throw dynamite down the hole. Sık sık siyah bir duman bulutu olarak görülürken 5. sezonun finalinde siyahlar içinde orta yaşta bir adam olarak göründü. The fact that Lost introduced this cloud of smoke so early on and didn’t reveal what its existence meant or even was for five seasons is one of the few commendable points left in a show that really took its audience astray in the latter seasons. Some of the manifestations of dead people that people see when they are awake and on the island could possibly be the MIB trying to manipulate them to further his cause, while dead people appearing in dreams or off the island are manifestations of Jacob or the Island itself, with Hurley being the exception as he can converse with dead people while awake, both on and off the Island. Another rebuttal: Richard said he buried Alex after Miles walked over her grave, and Alex appeared to Ben in the temple. Remember that Jacob's only idea about The Source was "whoever enters there becomes worse than death", so it was his intention while he was throwing MIB into the source; to make him something worse than death. He's either still the Man in Black, or awaiting a new host to be thrown into the heart. Ben tells Hurley that he can run things differently than Jacob did. There have been numerous references to Smokey being the protector of the island (Egyptian hieroglyphics, the Others, Dharma folk). The Man In Black is the main antagonist of the science-fiction mystery drama TV series Lost, which lasted 6 whole seasons. MIB exists outside normal space-time, allowing him to know about 2004 events a century beforehand. Locke spoke to him in the cabin, and so perhaps part of MIB's power or spirit went into Locke and travelled back in time with him. The problem with this is that it causes the entire storyline to fall apart given that MIB would then be able to see his own demise. Maeve's daughter (Physical Body) 7. The possibilities I see to explain this are: It isn't MIB, but the actual "ghost" of Christian. If you’ve seen the very last episode of Lost, then you’ll know that The Man In Black had his immortality stripped eventually. Şovun fiilî antagonistidir. If his mother had told him "whoever goes into the source becomes (put something else here)" Jacob would have been thinking about it and MIB would be that (something else). 2007). Maybe The Island is magical, but it doesn't have global consequences. Directed by Francis Searle. The smoke monster is the result of Jacob breaking the rules, i.e. This article or section has been nominated for a, He Turned Into the Smoke Monster because of the Rules, He turned into The Monster because Jacob thought so, Method of Control/Persuasion/Manipulation of others. He did the same with his own previous form, Alex Rousseau and, most notably, John Locke throughout the entirety of season six. Jacob was only able to bring people to the island because the island allowed him to. Speculative and lacking any evidence to support arguments. Content is available under CC BY-NC-SA 3.0 unless otherwise noted. As such, Jack Shepard saw his father roaming around a fair few times. The Man in Black says to Richard "the Devil took my body". It's hypothesized that the enemy is constrained to the Island whereas Jacob is depicted as meeting with several off the island. We’ve compared the best aspects of each character in an attempt to determine which series wins. However, with him and Jacob gone and no replacement for either of them found, the cork is removed, and the true evil force is no longer held on the Island either. Kate and Jack are not forbidden to kill him. A major theme in Lost has been the feeling of worthlessness and rejection. Year: 2020 What he was doing: He fell asleep in his car, blocking the drive-through lane at a fast-food restaurant. Mother represents both parts of the protector of the Island (the jacob and MIB parts). When Eko first saw him, MiB took a "photograph" or "memorized him" (or however you want to say it) by pointing a light beam at Eko. The Smoke Monster was originally a tool security system and biographical viewing device used by the island's Protector ("Mother", and probably others before her) to judge the island's visitors and protect the island itself. It's safe to assume in the alternate reality the Island either didn't exist or didn't exist to the characters which is the same thing. Jacob (Iacob in Latin) is a fictional character of the ABC television series Lost played by Mark Pellegrino.He was first mentioned as the true leader of the Others by Ben Linus and was described as a "great man" that was also "brilliant", "powerful" and "unforgiving". So John Locke had a part in destroying the MIB. MIB had begrudgingly fulfiled this role until he was able to put his plan in place with the Locke loophole. Jack restarted the light, which means that Smokey can come back too. The symbiont's source of energy is the Heart of the Island, its character depends more or less on the memories of its (un-dead) hosts. Ben explains that he needs to be "judged" by the smoke monster (as Alex) and, unlike Eko's experience with the smoke monster (as Yemi), Ben. When their adopted mother heard, she blindfolded the boys and led them to a cave where a stream flowed in… The FST was a manifestation of an alternate reality where the plane did not crash. However, for a good few thousands of years, he was unable to die. "He is slim, 6ft, black trousers and possibly a black hooded top. The Man in Black is able to assume the appearance of deceased bodies on the island and, through an elaborate series of events involving him arranging the death of, … Teddy Flood (Physical Body) 9. If they remain good, he is proven right; if they turn bad, the smoke monster can kill them (we've seen this happen to Eko). Consider three facts: But, clearly, Hurley becomes the island's protector, and if the writers intended on paralleling the past, then Jack becomes Smokey. LOST’s Man in Black’s Name Finally Confirmed? They both have a character with the exact same name. This is a theory page, not a speculation page. The monster was an entity that existed on the Island long, long before the MIB arrived, trapped in the Light without a host's body to inhabit and allow it to leave, perhaps by Mother. This page has theories primarily about the human form of the Monster. He might have been born in human form, but his primary form was that of a huge cloud of black smoke. Things got a little crazy in the later seasons of Lost. Seems a pretty good loophole to me. Sayid is gone. In 2004, at Colleen Pickett's Funeral, her body is burned by the others and sent out to sea, because the others didn't want the monster to take her form. Also, Amy insisted they buried the bodies of the hostiles in 1974. The Man In Black is the main antagonist of the science-fiction mystery drama TV series Lost, which lasted 6 whole seasons.He was portrayed by Titus Welliver. Smokey is not gone. Eko's final words to John Locke was "you're next" meaning that the Man in Black was going to try John Locke for his loophole. 2. They could kill and hunt and torture and rape without any consequences. When he said, "you have no idea how much I want to kill you", he wasn't speaking as his sibling, but as a resentful Monster who thought it was finally free and found itself once again bound in chains by the Protector, able to roam the Island freely but never able to leave. These visions are not mimics. she was most likely smokey and this is how she was able to wipe out everyone in MIB's villiage. Hence, the story's logic should be taken in context of the narrative; perhaps it doesn't matter if the MiB escapes in the wide scope of things, but if he does, evil would have triumphed in that story, so the resolution is negative, regardless of what happens to the rest of the world. Horace Calhoun (Physical Body) 2. It would be like someone inviting you to their home where a bunch of the other guests try to kill you, but you don't leave because you think one of them will burn the house down, and if the house is burned down the entire world will be set ablaze. We first saw William as a new visitor, while The Man In Black was a rich veteran and almost the polar opposite of William’s character. Since Jacob was the new protector of the Island, he could put rules however way he wanted so this is the only reason why MIB transformed into Black Smoke. Rebuttal: Amy insisted this because of the truce between the others and the DI, not necessarily because of the monster. Eko was killed for being an obstacle, very much like Bram and the Others trying to shoot the Man in Black, though it had no effect. If the electromagnetic powers of the Island caused the crash of Oceanic 815, it would be the characters assumption that if the plane didn't crash the island was no more. The Man in Black wants Jacob and the candidates dead so he can leave the island, and he wants the devil dead for the curse it had on him. It killed the Pilot, Eko, and Rousseau's team. The Man in Black used Christian's face to convince Claire, Christian's secret daughter, to stay with him, and to tell Locke that he had to move the island. It started out as a very cool island-survival show with a creepy, subtle layer of fantasy and suspense related to something supernatural that we didn’t quite understand. If you knock someone out and then they float down river into the Source, that's indirect enough not to break the rules. With Tommy Lee Jones, Will Smith, Linda Fiorentino, Vincent D'Onofrio. The Man In Black from Lost is literally made of smoke. In. The survivors of a plane crash are … MIB can scan the memories of the observer and choose an appearance based on that. How would the MIB know who Locke is, know about their conversation in 2004, and know that he has friends that he needs to return to the Island a century or more in the future? Jacob had limited information concerning the Smoke Monster, so he ended up believing that it was in fact his brother's spirit when this was not the case. It is the way MiB does his job. This means that the entire time in which we’ve seen him scouring the park and doing as he pleases, being left alone by those running it is because it is his. If the Island is a living entity, presumably because it has a "heart", then it's logical that it would be "dead" in the afterlife, which is physically seen as being underwater. Since there is no time in the "place" where Christian is at, it would make sense that he (and other such ghosts) could appear anywhere on the timeline. It was trying to pull Locke down the cave to hell, because of how jealous it was of him that he was healed by the island. Maybe that was what was left of John Locke: his misbeliefs. No one (except Desmond) can survive the amount of electromagnetic energy in the heart of the island. With Sidney Poitier, Joanna Shimkus, Al Freeman Jr., Michael Tolan. he harmed and killed his brother. Bodies missing or not present on the island include Christian, Ben's mother, and Yemi (now). Yemi's post-death appearance was the Man in Black trying to find his loophole to kill Jacob but because Eko was unwilling to change he wouldn't have been accepted by The Others as a leader, so the smoke monster killed him. The time travel element of Lost is probably the thing that lost it most of its critical favor and a large amount of its viewership. Richard passes the compass (MiB's) on to John Locke. And with the Island sunk, nothing would change anywhere. 3 unnamed Union soldiers (Physical Body) 3. However, as mentioned by Jacob and his brother, it only ends once. Jacob then finds the Man in Black's physical body and places it with the woman's in the cave where she had been living with Jacob, along with a pouch containing the black and white stones they used in the box game. This list shows the victims Man in Black has killed: 1. He spared both Ben and Richard when they were being judged because he saw them as people he could deceive into murdering Jacob. MIB travelled through time with the Losties. This mysterious being in black, inspired by cheap fiction and alcohol, probably less of malicious intent and more from some sad need for attention, was, alas, a simple lie, one that needs to be corrected for those into serious research in this area.” In conclusion, with this now written by a different user, the Man In Black was not the Smoke Monster. The Man In Black from Lost has an extremely long kill-list that we probably didn’t even see 1% of, but he has the advantage of being immortal. Similar to how Jacob thought MiB was loved more and apparently the "obvious choice" to protect the island at their young age, Jack is also the "obvious choice". He can use these memories to assume their likeness to various degrees. Funko POP Television: LOST Man In Black Toy Figure › Customer reviews Customer reviews 4.5 out of 5 stars 4.5 out of 5 48 global ratings 5 star 77% 4 star 11% 3 … Maeve Millay (Physical Body) 6. MIB being both trapped on the Island and its guardian are not mutually exclusive attributes. Before he was lost to the Light, the Man In Black was bitter and psychologically lost, but he wasn't sadistic or violent. Westworld’s version of the character has killed hundreds of hosts, as well as six (as far as we know) humans. The finale was absolutely full of twists and turns coming from every corner, but the very best of them all was the revelation that William was The Man In Black of the past. Given all the time Lost has spent lately on Jacob (Mark Pellegrino) and the Man in Black, you might think they're the key to the show or something. The ancient Egyptians believed in five parts of a soul: the. The Smoke Monster however could take on the form of Jacob's nameless brother and also access (i.e. It may not have affected anything else in the world, since Jack killed the smoke monster in Locke's body. It is possible that this story was not meant to have real world consequences, or have as grand a scale as some people are prescribing to it; this is a story centering on very few characters, and on a relatively small location, not the entire world. There, as many as 40 black men are missing there per 100 black women. MIB offers Sayid the chance to reunite him with Nadia. Jacob couldn't kill the Man in Black because of the rules, however his unique communion with death and the island itself allowed him to "cheat death" by stealing control of the smoke device as his soul left his mortal body. It began talking to Jack under the belief that he/it really was Locke when they were lowering Desmond towards the Light. Either that, or there is another entity in the Island that takes the form of the dead (like with young Ben). The Man in Black Is a Mysterious Figure in both Westworld and Lost In both Westworld and Lost, The Man in Black is referred to in discussion boards as … MIB saw his dead mother as a child. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Walt is also not present on the island. He mentions that Kate can still take his position if she's willing. WARNING: The following contains spoilers for Marvel's Spider-Man: The Black Cat Strikes #4, by Dennis Hallum, Luca Maresca, Rachelle Rosenberg, Travis Danham and Sana Takeda, available now. An affecting story powerfully told, The Last Black Man in San Francisco immediately establishes director Joe Talbot as a filmmaker to watch. "The New Man in Charge" is the epilogue of Lost that was released on August 24, 2010 on both the Complete Sixth Season DVD and the Complete Collection boxset. So it seems highly unlikely that MIB can see all times. First the man in black, I don't recall hearing his name, and Jacob are actually brothers. The said story also happens to be very symbolical; 'push the button, or the world will end' - not the the whole world, just the world these people know, or the Island's world. In the final season of Lost, the centuries-long struggle between Jacob and the Man in Black finally came to a head, as Jacob's pool of candidates narrowed to a final few, and the Man in Black … FSW was a manifestation of what the characters wanted, not something that was actually taking place. A gang of black militants plots to rob a factory to finance their "revolutionary struggle". Once the light is extinguished, Smokey is no more. The "appearance" of MIB is drawn out of the observer's mind. The smoke monster is some kind of symbiont that lived before mother, that lived on after mother had died. RELATED: 5 Reasons Westworld Season 2 Is Better Than Season 1 (& 5 Reasons It Isn't). The symbiont ceased to exist - leaving his "human" form - when the heart of the island was temporarily off. It was originally broadcast on February 16, 2010.On the Island, the Man in Black, indefinitely trapped in the guise of Locke, goes in search of help to further his cause. The Men in Black always appear unannounced, are usually clad in black business suits, and warn people to give up their research into UFOs or face dire consequences. If the electromagnetic forces of the Island helped to keep the Man in Black prisoner, Eko was doing / attempting what was not in the Man in Black's interests. Jacob is not allowed to kill his brother. Eko had let go of his guilt over killing Yemi, and so the MIB would not have been able to use him. Similar to the way the "ghosts" on the Island could become real. This is why the Smoke Monster comes out of the cave so angry, and why the Light must still be protected from him. The special effects the show had access to didn’t really do his first appearances much justice, but it’s still a very unique concept. As if two of the most confusing TV shows of all time could get more confusing. Using that logic, it's technically the river/water killing Jacob, not Smokey. The Man In Black from Lost has an extremely long kill-list that we probably didn’t even see 1% of, but he has the advantage of being immortal. Locke encounters Christian in the FDW chamber at the bottom of the well during a time period which must be sometime prior to 1867 due to the presence of the Tawaret statue. The characters wanted to be happy independent of the Island, so it didn't "exist" in their "limbo." The compass does not necessarily constitute a "predestination paradox" (temporal causality loop), as long as MiB switched the compasses (offscreen) in 2007: Richard gives the 'new' one to John Locke (starting point of the compass journey) who travels back in time to 1954 where compass posession changes to Richard. (In contrast, Admiral Kirk's reading glasses in the second and fourth Star Trek movie constitute such a time paradox: as from the moment in the future he receives the glasses there will be additional wear and tear which will travel back in time together with the glasses but can't be there once they arrive back in the future because they haven't occurred yet). 3. After Locke's body is brought back to the island on Ajira 316, the smoke monster becomes Locke, so he has found his loophole to kill Jacob. Again, notice that he physically touches everyone he meets (with the exception of Ilana who he had apparently met before - notice he also wears gloves and is dressed in black in that scene, including Locke. Jack was dressed in dark (not quite black) clothes that became darker throughout the episode (because they got wetter), echoing his transition into "The Man in Black". Smokey was the boosted manifestation of the MIB's soul: He wanted to leave the island at all costs, he felt betrayed by "Mother" and by Jacob and he was disgusted by people in general - all before his dead in the light. See the Lostpedia theory policy for more details. Sheriff Reed (Physical Body) 11. When the time travel and alternate realities got involved, it all got a bit crazy. There's a notable shift in acting styles - the Man In Black when he was human, when he was Jacob's brother, when he was sad, and broken, and confused, when he didn't know who he was or where he belonged, and the Man In Black when he was just a puppet of the Monster's, homicidal and arrogant and cold. John tells him that Richard will eventually pass it back to him in the future during an encounter when John's leg is wounded (i.e. So my interpretation would be this: the light doesn't turn everybody into a smoke monster, it distills the very essence of a human being and manifests it, that's why it doesn't seem to harm Jack - he let go when he stood in the light, there was nothing evil in him anymore. It seems as if Jacob cannot kill MIB and that is why he returned as Smokey. Another revelation that came in the season one finale is that The Man In Black is actually the majority shareholder. A yogi seemingly dies while simulating death and his evil second … Every night was spent alone with a magnum of wine…The bottom line for this particular Man in Black tale is unfortunately pretty mundane. Other visions of dead people, especially those viewed by Hurley, are from the Island/Jacob. It is possible that this was the end to the conflict between good and evil on the island. Your source for entertainment news, celebrities, celeb news, and celebrity gossip. Mother said they could not hurt each other. Its reason for not being able to harm Jacob was not because Mother had made it so because they were brothers, but because the Monster was simply unable to hurt the Protector of the Island. Bash Jacob's head in until he's unconscious and then throw him into a river face down. The Smoke Monster was never anything more than a "fail safe", intended as last resort in case a Guardian of the Source fails to do his job or cannot do it any longer. This is a simple one. With Jorge Garcia, Josh Holloway, Yunjin Kim, Evangeline Lilly. What an extraordinary novel: part family drama, part indelible ode to the Outback ― a … Westworld’ s version of the character has killed hundreds of hosts, as well as six (as far as we know) humans. It was underwater. 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